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Post by ghost on Apr 5, 2011 6:54:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't the rich evade those increased taxes anyway? Not to be in favour of the trickle down but wouldn't it atleast prevent many businesses from shutting down and then making people unemployed altogether?
I don't take the tea partiers most of whom are GOP like seriously but Ron Paul seems to be the most committed to solving the crises. He certainly isn't in favour of tax cuts 'for the rich' which is simply propaganda from the establishment. Who else but he and Kucinich have gone after real issues like auditing the fed and spending on war. Ironically, probably the only program that seriously tackles this is Judge Napolitano's on Fox! Where Ron Paul is going wrong is his placing of ideals above other things and now is very much the wrong time to do it. He's against income tax period for anyone. He's misguided not corrupt unlike some other people in government. On the other hand if he were to do things, maybe he could bring the economy back up his way without needing to tax people more. If the issue is to be debated seriously one would have to mention the billions that have disappeared into CIA and other black ops not the relatively less that comes from tax.
If welfare programs were to work then the bail outs and the wars should have been stopped which they're not going to be, ever because imperialism is the driving force of the economy so far. When Saddam, Ahmadinejad, Mubarak and now Gaddafi threatened to stopped cooperating with the US and to build alliances with Iran and Russia and nationalising their oil they were attacked by the empire. A government this much in debt isn't going to be able to afford any welfare programs for long. And more importantly, it doesn't INTEND to use any tax money towards it, it will feed it towards its wars.
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Post by Klingoncelt on Apr 5, 2011 8:31:57 GMT -5
The debt crisis isn't as bad as the right wants everyone to think. It's bad, but not as bad as they say. The businesses are in no danger of shutting down. Just the small local ones that aren't tied to Texas oil.
The money never "disappeared" into the CIA, it was accounted for forever. What "disappeared" was tons of cash in Iraq, secretly given to Halliburton.
The rich NEVER share their money, that's how they stay rich. There's nothing wrong with taxes. They do have loopholes, and they use them, but if they paid their usual taxes, the U.S. government would have 1.7 trillion dollars now. See, what the right is doing is giving their overlords total tax breaks, and making the working class pay the difference. The bastards want to cut that trillion out of government programs.
Assuming that they all lose in 2012 (pretty likely) the dems will reinstate the taxes and stuff and gradually things will go back to normal. If not, it will be the Bushreich times 1000.
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Post by ghost on Apr 5, 2011 9:18:13 GMT -5
There is billions that has been used for known and undisclosed programs for decades now. The CIA's programs, Rumsfeld's admission on 9/10 of that large sum which the pentagon couldn't account for...
America is well and truly on the brink of such great disaster, financial and otherwise. There will be no escaping it. The future could have been one where it is as represented by appearances by Paul and Kucinich together. But as I've said before and I heard Farrakhan say this recently, that Japan is one of the biggest signs for America and it will be many times worse.
I actually differ from the rest of the bashers in my reason for saying why RCM would tank and I was the first to say this would happen before LDD's, GC and others got on board. It was not because Timba was a rap producer and I was putting my prejudices into it wanting them to fail. Aynin has also failed except people don't want it to be a failure so they still try paint it as "criticallly" successful. And now for America and other countries their chickens are coming home to roost. The shock and awe to follow will be beyond Alex Jones imagination.
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Post by duranietillrcm on Apr 5, 2011 14:48:45 GMT -5
I like AYNIN a whole lot more than RCM. It's not a perfect DD album, but it is more "updated" like they say they strive to be, never making the same type of album twice. But I wish Simon would stop writing about fucking models already, it gets old after a while.
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Post by Klingoncelt on Apr 6, 2011 23:47:46 GMT -5
Alex Jones is a hack. He's done a few things that blew his credibility. Opting into the speculation that put gold prices into a bubble was one, and now he's doing it with silver. Wall Street practice all the way. I shit you not.
That's not to say that there's no disaster on the horizon. The teabaggers under their masters' control could force the government to hand itself over to Cheney and the Koch brothers. However, people are starting to fight back.
They went too far too fast with the greed and the methodology. they told countless lies about the center and the left, and now people are starting to realize that they were lying. In fact, the things the teabaggers accused the left of doing is what they themselves are doing, and everyone's seeing it now.
For example, they ranted about "death panels" in the health care bill, fearmongering that Obama wanted to kill your granny. The House Teabagger Fund Cutting Bill eliminates medicare funding, meaning that millions of old people will die from curable ailments because they can't afford treatment. The teabaggers threaten that if Congress doesn't approve the bill they'll shut down the entire federal government. We'll know tomorrow or Friday.
The music industry is a similar, but distantly related issue. Firstly, musicians and music fans are unwilling or unable to step back and be objective about trends. The classical period was the first big peak in music, 1955-1972 was the second. That's not to say that there's nothing new, there is, it's just not at a monumental level of creativity and originality anymore. Second, it wasn't just the musicians but the owners that spurred the industry on, whether some king or a record company A&R guy. There were some incredible people running the show decades ago. Amhet Ertegun, Andrew Lloyd Oldham, Brian Epstein, Sam Phillips... They exploited TALENT. They squeezed every drop of it from their artists. They were replaced by hacks that spent as little as possible on their artists, hiring in the stupid and disposable, very good-looking and willing to follow orders. The record companies bought chains of radio stations, playing only "their" music. They found out they could make even more money by playing fewer songs and running more commercials. It finally got to the point of 15-17 songs in rotation over a three-hour period during the day, and fake "request" shows that repeated for months on weekends. Playing the same shit over and over, just a few bands. The good bands, the Pink Floyds and Carlos Santanas were left out, they cost too much and had better attorneys. The record companies quit putting stuff out on multiple formats, claiming that no one bought vinyl, CDs, whatever anymore, they claimed everyone preferred digital. They destroyed themselves. I don't think it will be too awful long before the situation rights itself. New record companies will come along with visionary owners and they'll hire talent. Maybe by 2020.
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Post by ghost on Apr 7, 2011 6:04:50 GMT -5
Jones may have gotten a few things wrong but they are not of great significance. He's considered a threat and called crazy because he speaks the truth. When all this shit does go down no one will be blaming him. I wasn't really talking about trends but rather cause and effect.
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Post by Klingoncelt on Apr 7, 2011 20:40:32 GMT -5
Jones is NOT considered a threat. He just says he is.
What exactly do you see coming? Don't be general, give as much detail as possible.
I have nightmaric visions of things gone horribly wrong myself sometimes. But they aren't like the general teabagger/Alex Jones versions where roaming hordes will attack you for what you have. In mine, everyday people drag the elite out of hiding and take all their money.
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Post by ghost on Apr 7, 2011 23:13:47 GMT -5
Alex has been attacked plenty of times by Fox, CNN, The Guardian and recently had two major pieces on Rolling Stone and one in New Yorker trying to trash him. He also figures majorly in Cass Sunstein's attempts to infiltrate conspiracy theory sites.
What I see happening is the advancement of the police state further to where more "pandemic" outbreaks happen, the economy gets mich worse people start rioting and many will find themselves in detention centres. That part is also based on the established fact of the centres, 7 feet plastic coffins, the military's preparation for food riots. Meanwhile major earthquakes will destroy several US cities, there will also be major nuclear plant meltdowns. And I also figure in the US being attacked militarily on home soil and perhaps not by the US controlled terrorists. And abroad they will face spectacular defeats as we haven't seen before.
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Post by ghost on Apr 7, 2011 23:19:42 GMT -5
I think there will also be the open use of undisclosed weapons by and/or against the US. Either way I think the NWO will be stopped only because America and also Britain's time in world dominance is drawing short. For the US I see complete annihilation in parts of it.
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Post by Klingoncelt on Apr 10, 2011 21:56:50 GMT -5
Good times! The manbearpig flu pandemic was a bust, it didn't kill or panic anywhere near as many as was predicted. The rioting possibility is interesting. Generally people here don't riot, we have marches and sit-ins. So far that's been the current model and it's working well, the protesters are quite civil, the evil overlords are using violence and threats. The U.S. government didn't shut down last Friday. Why? Because the teabaggers were forced to back down Their coup failed. Thanks to the Kochsucking Bushreich puppet governors trying to enact martial law, EVERYONE now knows that the teabaggers' sole intent is to give the country to the rich and have the poor pay for it. If there are any riots, they will be staged by the far right, with rioters being bussed in with Joe the Plumber. Detention centers don't exist here. I researched the hell out of them and always found the same thing: the buildings are WAY too flimsy to hold a small group of toddlers. No, the detention centers were part of an open-ended multimillion dollar no-bid deal given to the Devil Cheney. Just a front for him to steal more of America's tax dollars. What he (Halliburton) really did was clean up the assorted sites, making even more money on the scrap they sold. They put on a fresh coat of paint, oiled some squeaky hinges, then locked the places up. When the housuing market stabilizes (it will someday) they'll sell the properties for even more profit. The "coffins" aren't coffins. They use bodybags here, they're more efficient. Those boxes look a whole lot more like garbage containers for field training missions. Before there's any food riot, look for food strikes where people refuse to buy food from bad guy corporate farms. There's always some major disaster. It looks like tornadoes will be the big thing this year, they've made a great early showing. If one hits a major city like New York or D.C. it'll make headlines like Katrina. There won't be any nuke joint meltdowns, they're too much in the public eye right now. As far as manmade disasters I'd look for more highway bridges collapsing. As much as the Bushreich wants to impose martial law, as indicated anbove, they overplayed their hand and their coup failed. The military would be hard put to top the way we got our asses handed to us in Viet Nam. Another area where the far right puppetmasters at least partially failed was the complete legalization of guns. They thought all of us regular folks would kill each other, not to mention what the racists and nutjobs would do. Like I said, everyone's onto their game now. "Dominance" is the key word here. Other countries aren't yet strong enough to take over dominating, I think it will be more a case of each country doing their own thing without checking the U.S. or England for approval. The U.N. will still be around, but I think the playing field will eventually be made more equal there.
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Post by ghost on Apr 11, 2011 3:43:27 GMT -5
It's the easiest thing to say something isn't happening, simply because it hasn't completely materialized yet. People do that to support the official 9/11 theory and many other things. I'm just doing my normal position of being skeptical of the right people and watching the signs which are always there.
Can 7 feet containers also be used as coffins? When the times comes yes they can use it for that purpose. Those 'garbage containers' which the company claims are coffin liners are located at FEMA and other facilities around the US.
Interesting how Jesse Ventura's episode on this is the only one to be banned after it's one airing. The show has since been cancelled. One of the senator's in charge of the bill establishing those camps ordered for it to be pulled and many of them were also taken off youtube.
A county muncipal official in Indiana spoke of his meeting with FEMA and DHS were they discussed locations for mass graves and vaccinations for the entire population administrable within 48 hours.
Those centres were built to meet a bill which says they'd be used by DHS in case of national emergencies. To be built on military bases. No, the bill hasn't become law yet. The existing ones (not talking WW2 era) are built next to rail tracks, another nice coincidence I would think. They're run by the so called Fusion centres which are run with no oversight. Adults, children and immigrants have already been held there in the past and they're very much like detention centres in appearance.
There's a hundred different threads of this, pointing to inevitable martial law and population reduction in the US.
How does that stop it from happening? Is the US guaranteed to take better measures than Japan to stop the leak of radiation? They're already telling people not to worry about about the spread into N. America from Japan. This is many times worse than Chernoybl and that time people as far as Britain developed cancer from it.
Ofcourse these reports are negative, but there is no happy magical way to wish them away.
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Post by Klingoncelt on Apr 13, 2011 3:11:27 GMT -5
It's the easiest thing to say something isn't happening, simply because it hasn't completely materialized yet. People do that to support the official 9/11 theory and many other things. I'm just doing my normal position of being skeptical of the right people and watching the signs which are always there. Can 7 feet containers also be used as coffins? When the times comes yes they can use it for that purpose. Those 'garbage containers' which the company claims are coffin liners are located at FEMA and other facilities around the US. There's a difference between coffins and vaults. Coffins are buried in airtight, sealed vaults. The plastic liners keep out the worms and water. Seriously, if huge masses of people were to die, individual burials would not be practical. Mass cremation would be the most efficient approach. These liners might well be in reserve for dead soldiers. Most people can't afford a nice funeral, veterans can get military funerals for free. The veterans kicked in on Daddy's funeral. They did my brother-in-law's and an uncle's funerals entirely. They have free gravesites, too, most notably at Arlington, Virginia. The liners could be used for charity cases and death row prisoners too. Emergency shelters have been ordered, post-Katrina. The military bases have been decommissioned and are sitting empty. There are a couple not far from me, believe me, I've kept an eye on them. Mass vaccinations happened before. I remember the polio vaccine being given to everyone in Hillbillyville when I was very small. It was helpful, not lethal. (Although at the time it seemed to me very creepy and Twilight Zone-ish.) Mass grave locations can't be determined unless there are mass deaths. They won't ship thousands, or tens of thousands, or millions of bodies across the state or the country, they'll burn them as close to where they died as possible. This saves on fuel & manpower, plus it cuts down on the spread of assorted diseases associated with corpses. The Ventura show was no doubt cancelled because it's so fake. I've seen better work done by middle school kids. Most vids owned by the entertainment industry get yanked off Youtube. Try to find anything owned by Warner Music Group. I just watched a FEMA camp episode of the Jesse show. I'd post it here, but it's too full of bullshit. Your first clue is the bad acting. Your second clue is the blatant lies. Like I said, it would be extremely foolish to build a detention center at a rail station. NO ONE has been held at any camp, other than immigrants in standard INS detainment centers that have been around forever. The place shown in the vid is a standard low security county jail. There ARE people being profiled, but it's not gentle hippies looking for information. It's the KKK, far-right militia crazies, religious cults, domestic terorists. The kind that kill abortion doctors and blow up churches with little children inside and shoot politicians in parking lots. There can be millions of different threads. There are hundreds of threads saying that a secret planet full of aliens is going to crash into us in 2012. Here's the absolute truth, DO NOT believe anyone but ME: The right wing of the republican party is owned completely by the richest people in the world. They control oil, entertainment, pharmaceuticals, insurance, corporate farms, et cetera. These fuckers nearly succeeded during the Bushreich, and they're trying again now. They want to remove ALL government controls and regulations that prevent them from raping the poor and middle classes. At the same time, they want to eliminate ALL rights of the working class, women, and minorities. They want to turn America and the rest of the world into a feudal state. But the tide is turning. See, the thing with the wingnuts is, they aren't real smart. Honest, they consistently end up at the bottom of their class or they drop out. They think that everyone processes information the same way they do. They are wrong. Some of them were able to lie their way into office. They immediately began doing the bidding of their dark masters. The general public is having none of that now. Those that were duped are outraged and are moving to the left. They got enough rope, now the republitards are hanging themselves. As for Alex Jones and company, they tell you to stock up on gold & silver. This is to drive up commodities speculation on Wall Street and artificially drive up prices. I shit you not. Buy guns to protect yourself. From what? Buying guns pushes the wingnuts' agenda and makes gun manufacturers (yes, they're right wing) richer. Store food - because it's grown on corporate farms and again, it will drive up commodities speculation and increase prices. Be wary of the false prophets, my friend. I wonder what the international community is going to do to Japan for being dishonest about the problem in the first place. Most of the nuke joints here are built where the strongest possible earthquake is a 6.0 or lower and they're built to take a 7 or 8. There are 2 in question, both in California, and people are already trying to have them shut down.
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Post by duranietillrcm on Apr 13, 2011 5:41:07 GMT -5
This may sound harsh, but I think Japan has enough of their own money to take care of their issues. I don't think we need to be involved, unless it's through the private sector and that the Japanese pay people to help them clean up their mess. Do you really think if the roles were reversed, they'd do the same for us? I'm sick of us going everywhere in the world, sending our men and women into harms way, and for what? Iraq, Kuwait, places we don't belong and never should have been. There are countries where women and children are being raped, tortured, and killed. Where is the USA in those cases? Why is there no outrage??
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Post by ghost on Apr 13, 2011 12:00:50 GMT -5
It's the easiest thing to say something isn't happening, simply because it hasn't completely materialized yet. People do that to support the official 9/11 theory and many other things. I'm just doing my normal position of being skeptical of the right people and watching the signs which are always there. Can 7 feet containers also be used as coffins? When the times comes yes they can use it for that purpose. Those 'garbage containers' which the company claims are coffin liners are located at FEMA and other facilities around the US. There's a difference between coffins and vaults. Coffins are buried in airtight, sealed vaults. The plastic liners keep out the worms and water. Seriously, if huge masses of people were to die, individual burials would not be practical. Mass cremation would be the most efficient approach. These liners might well be in reserve for dead soldiers. Most people can't afford a nice funeral, veterans can get military funerals for free. The veterans kicked in on Daddy's funeral. They did my brother-in-law's and an uncle's funerals entirely. They have free gravesites, too, most notably at Arlington, Virginia. The liners could be used for charity cases and death row prisoners too. Emergency shelters have been ordered, post-Katrina. The military bases have been decommissioned and are sitting empty. There are a couple not far from me, believe me, I've kept an eye on them. Mass vaccinations happened before. I remember the polio vaccine being given to everyone in Hillbillyville when I was very small. It was helpful, not lethal. (Although at the time it seemed to me very creepy and Twilight Zone-ish.) Mass grave locations can't be determined unless there are mass deaths. They won't ship thousands, or tens of thousands, or millions of bodies across the state or the country, they'll burn them as close to where they died as possible. This saves on fuel & manpower, plus it cuts down on the spread of assorted diseases associated with corpses. The Ventura show was no doubt cancelled because it's so fake. I've seen better work done by middle school kids. Most vids owned by the entertainment industry get yanked off Youtube. Try to find anything owned by Warner Music Group. I just watched a FEMA camp episode of the Jesse show. I'd post it here, but it's too full of bullshit. Your first clue is the bad acting. Your second clue is the blatant lies. Like I said, it would be extremely foolish to build a detention center at a rail station. NO ONE has been held at any camp, other than immigrants in standard INS detainment centers that have been around forever. The place shown in the vid is a standard low security county jail. There ARE people being profiled, but it's not gentle hippies looking for information. It's the KKK, far-right militia crazies, religious cults, domestic terorists. The kind that kill abortion doctors and blow up churches with little children inside and shoot politicians in parking lots. There can be millions of different threads. There are hundreds of threads saying that a secret planet full of aliens is going to crash into us in 2012. Here's the absolute truth, DO NOT believe anyone but ME: The right wing of the republican party is owned completely by the richest people in the world. They control oil, entertainment, pharmaceuticals, insurance, corporate farms, et cetera. These fuckers nearly succeeded during the Bushreich, and they're trying again now. They want to remove ALL government controls and regulations that prevent them from raping the poor and middle classes. At the same time, they want to eliminate ALL rights of the working class, women, and minorities. They want to turn America and the rest of the world into a feudal state. But the tide is turning. See, the thing with the wingnuts is, they aren't real smart. Honest, they consistently end up at the bottom of their class or they drop out. They think that everyone processes information the same way they do. They are wrong. Some of them were able to lie their way into office. They immediately began doing the bidding of their dark masters. The general public is having none of that now. Those that were duped are outraged and are moving to the left. They got enough rope, now the republitards are hanging themselves. As for Alex Jones and company, they tell you to stock up on gold & silver. This is to drive up commodities speculation on Wall Street and artificially drive up prices. I shit you not. Buy guns to protect yourself. From what? Buying guns pushes the wingnuts' agenda and makes gun manufacturers (yes, they're right wing) richer. Store food - because it's grown on corporate farms and again, it will drive up commodities speculation and increase prices. Be wary of the false prophets, my friend. I wonder what the international community is going to do to Japan for being dishonest about the problem in the first place. Most of the nuke joints here are built where the strongest possible earthquake is a 6.0 or lower and they're built to take a 7 or 8. There are 2 in question, both in California, and people are already trying to have them shut down. Well I trust my judgement enough to say that this is the path things are going down. Also I have been proven right in my analysis of things many times fold in the last 3 years and I know its way too late in the game to be blaming the right wing when its both sides. And at this moment I blame the sitting democrat the greatest. I also percieve things to a greater extent than most, so my belief is not in other people. We'll have to disagree on this.
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Post by duranietillrcm on Apr 13, 2011 15:20:26 GMT -5
I'd rather see Stephen Colbert as President rather than any of the Conservatives candidates.
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